Butler, VCU, George Mason recruiting after Final 4

[Bill Marsh]

So why is it dumb? Because UConn got caught?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... season-apr

4 years of data under baseline. Spin that.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there an issue of a booster buying players as well?

I'll correct you. You're wrong. There was no issue of a booster paying players.

[Bill Marsh]

So why is it dumb? Because UConn got caught?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... season-apr

4 years of data under baseline. Spin that.

Spin what? I'm not denying anything. Here are the facts:

Fact #1 - The 4 years of baseline data were in compliance when they occurred.
Fact #2 - NCAA passes a new rule.
Fact #3 - UConn is retroactively penalized for failing to meet a standard at the time the failure occurred.

How would you feel if a law were passed today and you were arrested for violating it last week?

UConn has no prior history of having athletes fail to measure up to academic standards. In fact, their record for graduating players has been quite good. And their record has been very good since the penalty was imposed.

So, how can any of this be used to imply that they have a dirty program?

[DumpsterFireA10]

So why is it dumb? Because UConn got caught?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... season-apr

4 years of data under baseline. Spin that.

Spin what? I'm not denying anything. Here are the facts:

Fact #1 - The 4 years of baseline data were in compliance when they occurred.
Fact #2 - NCAA passes a new rule.
Fact #3 - UConn is retroactively penalized for failing to meet a standard at the time the failure occurred.

How would you feel if a law were passed today and you were arrested for violating it last week?

UConn has no prior history of having athletes fail to measure up to academic standards. In fact, their record for graduating players has been quite good. And their record has been very good since the penalty was imposed.

So, how can any of this be used to imply that they have a dirty program?

What part of "banned from the NCAA Tournament" don't you understand? Vegas did get banned in 1992. There's your company.

[Bulldog_Muskie]

So why is it dumb? Because UConn got caught?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... season-apr

4 years of data under baseline. Spin that.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there an issue of a booster buying players as well?

I'll correct you. You're wrong. There was no issue of a booster paying players.

My how snarky of you Bill!

I was thinking about what lead to this http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sports/m-ba ... 11aaa.html but i suppose I was mistaken regarding actually paying a player. Seems like more of an accumulation of minor violations.

[Bill Marsh]

So why is it dumb? Because UConn got caught?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... season-apr

4 years of data under baseline. Spin that.

Spin what? I'm not denying anything. Here are the facts:

Fact #1 - The 4 years of baseline data were in compliance when they occurred.
Fact #2 - NCAA passes a new rule.
Fact #3 - UConn is retroactively penalized for failing to meet a standard at the time the failure occurred.

How would you feel if a law were passed today and you were arrested for violating it last week?

UConn has no prior history of having athletes fail to measure up to academic standards. In fact, their record for graduating players has been quite good. And their record has been very good since the penalty was imposed.

So, how can any of this be used to imply that they have a dirty program?

What part of "banned from the NCAA Tournament" don't you understand? Vegas did get banned in 1992. There's your company.

I assume you're trying to make a point, but for the life of me I have no idea what it is.

[DumpsterFireA10]

UConn is a dirty program. That clear enough for you?

See the last few posts in this thread. The sanctions announcement was from UConn's own website.

[Bill Marsh]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there an issue of a booster buying players as well?

I'll correct you. You're wrong. There was no issue of a booster paying players.

My how snarky of you Bill!

I was thinking about what lead to this http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sports/m-ba ... 11aaa.html but i suppose I was mistaken regarding actually paying a player. Seems like more of an accumulation of minor violations.

Since what i said was taken as snarky, I apologize. I thought I was responding to precisely what had been said.

I will note that beneath all of the verbiage in the link, is the fact that the minor violations almost entirely were constituted of excessive text messages made to a specific recruit, which violated the NCAA's regulation on permissible contact with a player - a player who never played for UConn, so no benefit was obtained.

This was a classic case of legislation not having caught up with technology, as was later acknowledged by the NCAA when they changed their regulations about this kind of contact. I'm not saying that what UConn did was right, given the regulations that existed at the time, but I guarantee you that they were not the only ones doing it. It was a minor violation as reflected by the nature of the penalty and not a reflection of a dirty program. Today everyone is doing what UConn got "caught" doing 5 years ago and they are doing it with impunity. It's standard practice.

[Bill Marsh]

UConn is a dirty program. That clear enough for you?

See the last few posts in this thread. The sanctions announcement was from UConn's own website.

Wow! Once in school history, UConn is cited for failing to meet a new set of academic standards that were applied retroactively and they make excessive text messages, a rule that has since been revised, and that's sufficient for you to claim a dirty program? You obviously have an agenda.

I guess that puts UConn in the same company not only with UNLV but also with Yale, Cornell, and a bunch of others. Here's a sample:

DePaul
Seton Hall
St. John's
Villanova
Alabama
Arizona
Arizona State
Arkansas
Auburn
Baylor
Bradley
Buffalo
California
Canisius
Cincinnati
Clemson
Colorad
Cornell
CCNY
Dayton
Duke
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Gonzaga
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Kentucky
La Salle
Louisville
LSU
Maine
Marist
Maryland
UMass
Memphis
Miami, O
Miami, FL
Michigan
Michigan state
Minnesota
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Missouri
Navy
Nebraska
North Carolina
North carolina State
Notre Dame
Ohio state
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Oregon
Oregon State
Penn State
Pitt
Purdue
Richmond
Rutgers
St Louis
San Francisco
South Carolina
USC
St. Bonaventure
Stony Brook
Syracuse
Tennessee
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
Tulane
UCLA
Utah
UTEP
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest
Washington
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Yale

[Bill Marsh]

It would be nice f this thread could get back on track to discussing the recruiting issue that was raised in the OP.

[DumpsterFireA10]

Bill, I do have somewhat of an agenda. UConn fans on this site have been taking shots at SLU (of which I am a fan). So I took one back.