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Postby jbarajas0490 » Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:37 pm

Bama hired oats and now Arkansas has hired musselman, jesus, sec is loaded with coaching talent now. Every team has a premier coach except Missouri, and Vanderbilt. Golly!!!!
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Postby H.U.S.T.L.E. » Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:19 pm

scoscox wrote:Mike Young to VT. Willard and Wojo staying put for what should be excellent upcoming seasons. Buzz to VT confirmed as a fluke hire


It seems that I might be one of the few VT fans happy with Mike Young. Our fanbase’s reaction to his hire is downright embarrassing. Shows how little most VT fans know about basketball to be honest.
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Postby scoscox » Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:37 pm

H.U.S.T.L.E. wrote:
scoscox wrote:Mike Young to VT. Willard and Wojo staying put for what should be excellent upcoming seasons. Buzz to VT confirmed as a fluke hire


It seems that I might be one of the few VT fans happy with Mike Young. Our fanbase’s reaction to his hire is downright embarrassing. Shows how little most VT fans know about basketball to be honest.


eh i wouldn't be excited about it if i was a VT fan either. he has 6, 20 win seasons in 17 years at wofford. seems like a high risk, low reward hire.
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Postby adoraz » Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:37 pm

And that's why it's best to let things play out before jumping to irrational conclusions.

Nice job by Seton Hall in keeping their coach. I'm okay with losing coaches to borderline blue bloods like Louisville, but most BE schools should be able to fend off a lateral move to VT. Especially in Willard's case, Seton Hall I believe will be better than VT next year. Seems like a no brainer that he'd stay for one more year rather than risk a rocky start at VT.

Mike Young seems like a good hire for VT. Not sure who some fans were expecting. VT isn't exactly a top 10 caliber school who can hire whoever they want. Really, who else would they have gotten at this point? Most of the best mid major candidates like Oats were already taken.

Now all the Big East needs is a few players like Powell and Howard to return, and next year should be a great one.
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Postby paulxu » Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:39 pm

As a season ticket holder to Wofford basketball, I can assure you Mike Young knows how to coach.
It wasn't a fluke he beat UNC last year in Chapel Hill, or Seton Hall this year...and almost Kentucky.

Will be interesting to see how he does at VT, but I don't believe it is a big risk for them.
...he went up late, and I was already up there.
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Postby stever20 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:22 am

it'll be interesting if Barnes leaves Tennessee for UCLA who Tennessee looks at.
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Postby H.U.S.T.L.E. » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:19 am

scoscox wrote:
H.U.S.T.L.E. wrote:
scoscox wrote:Mike Young to VT. Willard and Wojo staying put for what should be excellent upcoming seasons. Buzz to VT confirmed as a fluke hire


It seems that I might be one of the few VT fans happy with Mike Young. Our fanbase’s reaction to his hire is downright embarrassing. Shows how little most VT fans know about basketball to be honest.


eh i wouldn't be excited about it if i was a VT fan either. he has 6, 20 win seasons in 17 years at wofford. seems like a high risk, low reward hire.


People need to stop looking at overall win-loss records. Wofford has been in the top 30 non-con SOS in 6 of the last 10 years. 8 of those 10 they were in the top 100, and just barely outside in another (101). They schedule that way because they are one of the 5 smallest D-1 schools by enrollment in the country, so buy games are likely very important for their program's finances.

VT message boards liked to hype up another mid-major coach's record in Ryan Odom (3 straight 20-win seasons at UMBC). Let's compare the non-conference SOS per Kenpom for Wofford & UMBC over the last 3 years:

2016-17: Wofford (26), UMBC (256)
2017-18: Wofford (101), UMBC (277)
2018-19: Wofford (5), UMBC (291)

Yes, Ryan Odom has three straight 20-win seasons at UMBC, but a bunch of those wins are coming in the non-conference against lower-level competition. Wofford has played at least 5 power conference teams (I include the Big East & AAC) every season in the last three years, while UMBC has played 5 TOTAL. Even in Wofford's recent seasons where they finished below .500 overall, they were competitive in the SoCon. They've had one season in the last 10 years under .500 in conference. Over the last decade, they've made 5 NCAA tournament appearances and won the SoCon regular season 4 times. IMO, it's more important how his teams play against their average level of competition, because you have to look at how Wofford schedules.
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Postby GoldenWarrior11 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:48 am

The one thing interesting about Mike Young's hire at VT is that it goes to show that any P5 program simply cannot go out and get any non-P5 head coach simply by offering more money. Young is a terrific coach, and it will be fun to see him adapt to a power conference. However, even after VT's recent success under Buzz (which will be impossible to duplicate in the near-term), the school was unable to lure another major coach there, even with all of its resources and conference affiliation.
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Postby adoraz » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:21 am

GoldenWarrior11 wrote:The one thing interesting about Mike Young's hire at VT is that it goes to show that any P5 program simply cannot go out and get any non-P5 head coach simply by offering more money. Young is a terrific coach, and it will be fun to see him adapt to a power conference. However, even after VT's recent success under Buzz (which will be impossible to duplicate in the near-term), the school was unable to lure another major coach there, even with all of its resources and conference affiliation.


Yep, years 1 and 6 of the new Big East were pretty similar in terms of performance. Both were mediocre.

The difference is we've had some excellent years including Nova's 2 titles. We've also extended our MSG contract and continue to sell that out. I think that gives coaches like Willard and Wojo the confidence to stay rather than leave like Buzz did.
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Postby stever20 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:05 am

adoraz wrote:
GoldenWarrior11 wrote:The one thing interesting about Mike Young's hire at VT is that it goes to show that any P5 program simply cannot go out and get any non-P5 head coach simply by offering more money. Young is a terrific coach, and it will be fun to see him adapt to a power conference. However, even after VT's recent success under Buzz (which will be impossible to duplicate in the near-term), the school was unable to lure another major coach there, even with all of its resources and conference affiliation.


Yep, years 1 and 6 of the new Big East were pretty similar in terms of performance. Both were mediocre.

The difference is we've had some excellent years including Nova's 2 titles. We've also extended our MSG contract and continue to sell that out. I think that gives coaches like Willard and Wojo the confidence to stay rather than leave like Buzz did.

I would say for Willard and Wojo the primary reason they stayed wasn't what you were saying necessarily, but rather the teams they have coming back next year. As was said on another thread, the only 2 Big East top 25 teams, with Marquette a top 10 team. It may get really interesting after next year after those programs lose a lot.

I would also say to GW11 that VT is probably one of the 10-15 worst P5 jobs when you look at history, current status, etc.
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