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[GoldenWarrior11]

The one thing interesting about Mike Young's hire at VT is that it goes to show that any P5 program simply cannot go out and get any non-P5 head coach simply by offering more money. Young is a terrific coach, and it will be fun to see him adapt to a power conference. However, even after VT's recent success under Buzz (which will be impossible to duplicate in the near-term), the school was unable to lure another major coach there, even with all of its resources and conference affiliation.

Yep, years 1 and 6 of the new Big East were pretty similar in terms of performance. Both were mediocre.

The difference is we've had some excellent years including Nova's 2 titles. We've also extended our MSG contract and continue to sell that out. I think that gives coaches like Willard and Wojo the confidence to stay rather than leave like Buzz did.

When Buzz left Marquette, he was quoted as saying that one of the major factors in his decision was his research of small Catholic schools' ability (or lack there of) to win a National Championship. Since he said that, Villanova has won two National Championships, Gonzaga went to the title game, and Loyola went to a Final Four. For someone as analytical as Buzz, he really missed the boat there.

The Big East has a number of valuable assets moving forward. It obviously has universal membership that is committed to high-major men's basketball, which a strong sense of history success from each of the members. It also has great venues (all near 10k) in big media markets, supported by great fan bases and strong attendance figures. The league holds its relationship with Madison Square Garden for the indefinite future (while also managing to box-out the B1G and ACC for the same venue), as well as scheduling alliances with the B1G and Big 12 as well. The league has managed to successfully retain a number of strong coaches (Wright, Cooley, Willard, McDermott) and has a number of impressive young coaches that will continue to get better (Wojo, Steele and Jordan). Recruiting remains consistent for each of our programs, and the likely retention of the league's best players entering next year is a huge plus. All of our programs, in some form or another, are investing in facilities and resources for our basketball programs, and it will surely be seen in the product on the court in the coming seasons.

At the end of the day, despite the wishes and pursuits of entities and fans hoping that the Big East will drop-off and cease to remain a top basketball conference, this is - and has been - an elite basketball league. I am already excited for next season and cannot wait to see what the future holds.

[scoscox]

When Buzz left Marquette, he was quoted as saying that one of the major factors in his decision was his research of small Catholic schools' ability (or lack there of) to win a National Championship. Since he said that, Villanova has won two National Championships, Gonzaga went to the title game, and Loyola went to a Final Four. For someone as analytical as Buzz, he really missed the boat there.

Catholic schools have always been disproportionately successful in basketball

Buzz unfortunately missed this article in the New York Times last year
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/30/spor ... -four.html

[MUBoxer]

When Buzz left Marquette, he was quoted as saying that one of the major factors in his decision was his research of small Catholic schools' ability (or lack there of) to win a National Championship. Since he said that, Villanova has won two National Championships, Gonzaga went to the title game, and Loyola went to a Final Four. For someone as analytical as Buzz, he really missed the boat there.

Catholic schools have always been disproportionately successful in basketball

Buzz unfortunately missed this article in the New York Times last year
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/30/spor ... -four.html

Yes if you go off of all time results however from 1990 to Buzz leaving in 2013 exactly three catholic schools went to a final four MU GT and VU. 3 of 92 final four spots, even if we get generous and say "well butler has a similar model and size to most of them" Then thats still 5 of 92 which is a terrible ratio. Granted since then things have picked up but for the period of time when Buzz claimed he did his study nobody should blame him.

[billyjack]

But if Buzz stepped back one round, a bunch of Catholics had made Elite-8 runs from 1990 thru 2014:

Elite-8's:
Georgetown
Villanova
Marquette...
then:
Seton Hall
St John's
Providence
Xavier
Gonzaga
St Joseph's
Boston College
Loyola Marymount...
plus:
Davidson, non Catholic
Butler, non Catholic
and traditionally great programs capable of Elite-8 runs:
Notre Dame
Creighton
Dayton
DePaul...

Buzz maybe focused too much on the dregs of the MAAC and the WCC. And a ton of football schools had never made the Elite-8 either.

So, this plays off the common discussion that people in one area of the country don't understand another part, haven't lived there and get second-hand information... i'm positive that i'm guilty of it.

So we get Buzz misinterpreting the landscape cuz he grew up in a Texas bubble. Maybe he watched Requiem For The Big East, produced by ESPN and Syracuse alums, and didn't recognize the lies or exaggerations.

So they will tend to disregard sensible, truthful statements: Like New Yorkers won't support the Big Ten at MSG more than the BE. Or they misinterpret the small size of BE student bodies as being parallel with fan support, despite the fact that we've explained our fanbases bridge all parts of our metro areas (like, i'm not even a PC alum). Or they expect a northeasterner like Willard to drop everything to take the Virginia Tech job.

Anyway, i've lost my train of thought... yeah, a ton of Catholic schools have made Elite-8's

[scoscox]

Also, Duke is Methodist not catholic, but also religious and fairly small, although their endowment is absurd

[scoscox]

When Buzz left Marquette, he was quoted as saying that one of the major factors in his decision was his research of small Catholic schools' ability (or lack there of) to win a National Championship. Since he said that, Villanova has won two National Championships, Gonzaga went to the title game, and Loyola went to a Final Four. For someone as analytical as Buzz, he really missed the boat there.

Catholic schools have always been disproportionately successful in basketball

Buzz unfortunately missed this article in the New York Times last year
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/30/spor ... -four.html

Yes if you go off of all time results however from 1990 to Buzz leaving in 2013 exactly three catholic schools went to a final four MU GT and VU. 3 of 92 final four spots, even if we get generous and say "well butler has a similar model and size to most of them" Then thats still 5 of 92 which is a terrible ratio. Granted since then things have picked up but for the period of time when Buzz claimed he did his study nobody should blame him.

There are only 42 catholic basketball schools out of 353 in D1, so about 11% of D1 schools. 3 of 92 is about 3%, 5% including butler. A down stretch for sure, but then you consider how many others made the elite eight to just miss out on the final four. 11 of the 42 catholic schools in D1 made the elite eight in that stretch. a little over 25%.

[Omaha1]

Coach McDermott to ASU? This dude loves golfing and would go if asked.

[MUBoxer]

But if Buzz stepped back one round, a bunch of Catholics had made Elite-8 runs from 1990 thru 2014:

Elite-8's:
Georgetown
Villanova
Marquette...
then:
Seton Hall
St John's
Providence
Xavier
Gonzaga
St Joseph's
Boston College
Loyola Marymount...
plus:
Davidson, non Catholic
Butler, non Catholic
and traditionally great programs capable of Elite-8 runs:
Notre Dame
Creighton
Dayton
DePaul...

Buzz maybe focused too much on the dregs of the MAAC and the WCC. And a ton of football schools had never made the Elite-8 either.

So, this plays off the common discussion that people in one area of the country don't understand another part, haven't lived there and get second-hand information... i'm positive that i'm guilty of it.

So we get Buzz misinterpreting the landscape cuz he grew up in a Texas bubble. Maybe he watched Requiem For The Big East, produced by ESPN and Syracuse alums, and didn't recognize the lies or exaggerations.

So they will tend to disregard sensible, truthful statements: Like New Yorkers won't support the Big Ten at MSG more than the BE. Or they misinterpret the small size of BE student bodies as being parallel with fan support, despite the fact that we've explained our fanbases bridge all parts of our metro areas (like, i'm not even a PC alum). Or they expect a northeasterner like Willard to drop everything to take the Virginia Tech job.

Anyway, i've lost my train of thought... yeah, a ton of Catholic schools have made Elite-8's

Notre Dame has football so it doesn't belong on that list.

[MUBoxer]

There are only 42 catholic basketball schools out of 353 in D1, so about 11% of D1 schools. 3 of 92 is about 3%, 5% including butler. A down stretch for sure, but then you consider how many others made the elite eight to just miss out on the final four. 11 of the 42 catholic schools in D1 made the elite eight in that stretch. a little over 25%.

I wouldn't consider an elite 8 taking that next step to flourishing. Just compare that stretch from 1990 to 2013 to the 20 years prior from 1970 to 1990

St bonaventure, Nova with 2, Georgetown with 3, Marquette with 2, St Johns, Seton Hall, Depaul. Plus MU Nova and GTown all won titles. If I were doing an analysis in 2013 the indication would be it was much less likely than it used to be at a non football school. If I'm doing an analysis now, I realise that football doesn't control basketball and it just randomly happened that non football schools weren't making final fours anymore.

[jbarajas0490]

UCLA signing Mick Cronin. St. Johns better hire a good coach. ASU's coach isn't good enough.