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Postby stever20 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:42 pm

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketb ... -new-rules

3 teams listed are:
Villanova, Marquette, and Xavier

I think we're going to see refs calling it pretty much across the country tightly this year. I think the fact that it's a rules change and not a point of emphasis is huge. If some refs revert back to letting things go, I think they just won't get NCAA tourney games.

Find it interesting that Creighton not one of the teams mentioned. Would have thought with McDermott it's taylor made for them. I do think with the league being less physical it will help them!
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Postby Bill Marsh » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:33 pm

It's a double edged sword. Teams that play relentless defense like Louisville and Marquette can be hurt by the rules change as much as helped by it. The article only seems to focus on the offenses that will benefit without regard to what the consequences will be for those same teams on D.
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Re: 3 Big East teams in CBS's 10 teams to benefit most from

Postby stever20 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:44 pm

Bill Marsh wrote:It's a double edged sword. Teams that play relentless defense like Louisville and Marquette can be hurt by the rules change as much as helped by it. The article only seems to focus on the offenses that will benefit without regard to what the consequences will be for those same teams on D.

I think that's a valid point. I think the teams that ultimately thrive on this are ones that have a lot of depth.
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Postby Bill Marsh » Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:39 pm

stever20 wrote:
Bill Marsh wrote:It's a double edged sword. Teams that play relentless defense like Louisville and Marquette can be hurt by the rules change as much as helped by it. The article only seems to focus on the offenses that will benefit without regard to what the consequences will be for those same teams on D.

I think that's a valid point. I think the teams that ultimately thrive on this are ones that have a lot of depth.


It will be interesting to see if there actually are a lot more fouls called by the time we get to the conference schedule. Some of these changes make the college game more like the NBA. We don't see rookies having a lot of trouble adjusting to the NBA differences from the college game when they get there.

The charge/block changes shouldn't result in any more fouls. It's just that the calls may go a different way, but it's still the same number of fouls called.

The coaches seem to like the changes. If they take to them readily and emphasize them with their players, it should help the transition occur more quickly than if they were fighting them.

Maybe they can next start working on calling walks as the rule is written and eliminating the ridiculous jump stop.
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Re: 3 Big East teams in CBS's 10 teams to benefit most from

Postby stever20 » Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:29 am

Bill Marsh wrote:
stever20 wrote:
Bill Marsh wrote:It's a double edged sword. Teams that play relentless defense like Louisville and Marquette can be hurt by the rules change as much as helped by it. The article only seems to focus on the offenses that will benefit without regard to what the consequences will be for those same teams on D.

I think that's a valid point. I think the teams that ultimately thrive on this are ones that have a lot of depth.


It will be interesting to see if there actually are a lot more fouls called by the time we get to the conference schedule. Some of these changes make the college game more like the NBA. We don't see rookies having a lot of trouble adjusting to the NBA differences from the college game when they get there.

The charge/block changes shouldn't result in any more fouls. It's just that the calls may go a different way, but it's still the same number of fouls called.

The coaches seem to like the changes. If they take to them readily and emphasize them with their players, it should help the transition occur more quickly than if they were fighting them.

Maybe they can next start working on calling walks as the rule is written and eliminating the ridiculous jump stop.

I was kind of looking at tonights box score for VCU- the team that I know a lot of folks thought would be impacted big time by the new rules...

doesn't look like it. Their starters got called for a total of 6 fouls. A guy who got 5 steals, Briante Weber had 1 foul in 25 minutes. some of their deep bench guys got fouls but that's probably more of the fact they are the 12th/13th guy on the team. It'll be interesting to see how teams like VCU fare with the new rules.
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Re: 3 Big East teams in CBS's 10 teams to benefit most from

Postby TheHall » Sat Nov 09, 2013 10:45 am

The jury's in. From Jeff Borzello:

"STAT OF THE DAY: yesterday, five teams attempted at least 50 free throws. Last season, 11 did -- the ENTIRE season."

https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/399170633118253056
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Postby stever20 » Sat Nov 09, 2013 10:51 am

TheHall wrote:The jury's in. From Jeff Borzello:

"STAT OF THE DAY: yesterday, five teams attempted at least 50 free throws. Last season, 11 did -- the ENTIRE season."

https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/399170633118253056

so? it's not going away.
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Postby TheHall » Sat Nov 09, 2013 11:02 am

stever20 wrote:
TheHall wrote:The jury's in. From Jeff Borzello:

"STAT OF THE DAY: yesterday, five teams attempted at least 50 free throws. Last season, 11 did -- the ENTIRE season."

https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/399170633118253056

so? it's not going away.

What are you talking about. Who said it's going away. Up until now it's been all speculation about what "it" really would be like & last night provided the first meaning data on the effect of the rule change. That's why I posted that info.
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Postby stever20 » Sat Nov 09, 2013 11:38 am

sorry. great data
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Postby TheHall » Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:08 pm

np...found it stunning that this season's total is nearly half of last season's total & my school hasn't played it's first game yet.
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