2019 HLOH Awards - Player of the Year

[Hall2012]

Ended up just using the coaches' All First Team as options. Plenty of other players deserve recognition for their performance this year but I'm not sure it's necessary to include any others in the poll. If I see any names come up a lot in the comments I'll see if I can edit the poll to add them in.

[LMS]

Howard’s going to win, but if I had to start a team with one of these guys I would take Booth.

[hoyahooligan]

Howard vs. Powell for me. I went with Powell because I feel like Howard has more help on his team, where I feel like if you took away Powell Seton Hall probably finishes last. I think Marquette would finish maybe 4-5 games worse, but still be competitive.

[Hall2012]

Howard vs. Powell for me. I went with Powell because I feel like Howard has more help on his team, where I feel like if you took away Powell Seton Hall probably finishes last. I think Marquette would finish maybe 4-5 games worse, but still be competitive.

And herein lies the great debate lol. Is it a "best player" award? Or is it an MVP award?

If it's an MVP Award, I think Powell wins by a mile because of exactly what you said. Without him, the Pirates are nowhere close to the NCAA Tournament and probably do finish last. He's far and away the most valuable player to his team.

If you look at it as a best player - or player with the best stats - award - Howard has the edge.

And if you like to go with the "best player on the best team" theory - then it's Booth.

[GumbyDamnit!]

Howard vs. Powell for me. I went with Powell because I feel like Howard has more help on his team, where I feel like if you took away Powell Seton Hall probably finishes last. I think Marquette would finish maybe 4-5 games worse, but still be competitive.

And herein lies the great debate lol. Is it a "best player" award? Or is it an MVP award?

If it's an MVP Award, I think Powell wins by a mile because of exactly what you said. Without him, the Pirates are nowhere close to the NCAA Tournament and probably do finish last. He's far and away the most valuable player to his team.

If you look at it as a best player - or player with the best stats - award - Howard has the edge.

And if you like to go with the "best player on the best team" theory - then it's Booth.

Apply that same filter to Phil Booth. Without him Nova finishes last (or near last) IMO. With him they finish first, not last, 4 games north of SHU. Just saying...

[Hall2012]

And herein lies the great debate lol. Is it a "best player" award? Or is it an MVP award?

If it's an MVP Award, I think Powell wins by a mile because of exactly what you said. Without him, the Pirates are nowhere close to the NCAA Tournament and probably do finish last. He's far and away the most valuable player to his team.

If you look at it as a best player - or player with the best stats - award - Howard has the edge.

And if you like to go with the "best player on the best team" theory - then it's Booth.

Apply that same filter to Phil Booth. Without him Nova finishes last (or near last) IMO. With him they finish first, not last, 4 games north of SHU. Just saying...[/quote]

I have a really hard time buying that lol. Nova's thin compared to past years for sure, but I don't see any way one player on that team is worth 6 games. Take him out and Jay Wright gets someone else to step up. They may not win the regular season title without him, but I'd confidently predict them to finish top half and make the dance. Probably second to Marquette.

[GumbyDamnit!]

Apply that same filter to Phil Booth. Without him Nova finishes last (or near last) IMO. With him they finish first, not last, 4 games north of SHU. Just saying...

I have a really hard time buying that lol. Nova's thin compared to past years for sure, but I don't see any way one player on that team is worth 6 games. Take him out and Jay Wright gets someone else to step up. They may not win the regular season title without him, but I'd confidently predict them to finish top half and make the dance. Probably second to Marquette.

Easy for you to say but how closely have you really watched Nova this year? Ask a Nova fan where we would be without Booth this year, and sit back and watch the horror appear across their face just thinking about it.

Again, not saying that Booth is better than Powell, but you mentioned Powell vs Howard in terms of "where would SHU be without him." The same can absolutely be said about Phil IMO. And Nova finished 6 games from last place; SHU finished 2. So is that 4 game difference because Nova's supporting cast, and Jay W is that much better than SHU and Willard? Maybe...but it's certainly worth a debate.

[Hall2012]

Easy for you to say but how closely have you really watched Nova this year? Ask a Nova fan where we would be without Booth this year, and sit back and watch the horror appear across their face just thinking about it.

Again, not saying that Booth is better than Powell, but you mentioned Powell vs Howard in terms of "where would SHU be without him." The same can absolutely be said about Phil IMO. And Nova finished 6 games from last place; SHU finished 2. So is that 4 game difference because Nova's supporting cast, and Jay W is that much better than SHU and Willard? Maybe...but it's certainly worth a debate.

Sure it's debatable, but I would say Jay Wright is a far better coach than Kevin Willard (he certainly has a far more impressive resume) while Eric Paschall and Collin Gillespie at minimum would walk into SHU's starting 5. Is there anyone else on SHU's roster that you think would get more than 15 minutes a game for Nova? Maybe Myles Cale?

[Novachap]

Easy for you to say but how closely have you really watched Nova this year? Ask a Nova fan where we would be without Booth this year, and sit back and watch the horror appear across their face just thinking about it.

Again, not saying that Booth is better than Powell, but you mentioned Powell vs Howard in terms of "where would SHU be without him." The same can absolutely be said about Phil IMO. And Nova finished 6 games from last place; SHU finished 2. So is that 4 game difference because Nova's supporting cast, and Jay W is that much better than SHU and Willard? Maybe...but it's certainly worth a debate.

Sure it's debatable, but I would say Jay Wright is a far better coach than Kevin Willard (he certainly has a far more impressive resume) while Eric Paschall and Collin Gillespie at minimum would walk into SHU's starting 5. Is there anyone else on SHU's roster that you think would get more than 15 minutes a game for Nova? Maybe Myles Cale?

After last Saturday... RHODEN!!!! He played a hell of a game.

[GumbyDamnit!]

Easy for you to say but how closely have you really watched Nova this year? Ask a Nova fan where we would be without Booth this year, and sit back and watch the horror appear across their face just thinking about it.

Again, not saying that Booth is better than Powell, but you mentioned Powell vs Howard in terms of "where would SHU be without him." The same can absolutely be said about Phil IMO. And Nova finished 6 games from last place; SHU finished 2. So is that 4 game difference because Nova's supporting cast, and Jay W is that much better than SHU and Willard? Maybe...but it's certainly worth a debate.

Sure it's debatable, but I would say Jay Wright is a far better coach than Kevin Willard (he certainly has a far more impressive resume) while Eric Paschall and Collin Gillespie at minimum would walk into SHU's starting 5. Is there anyone else on SHU's roster that you think would get more than 15 minutes a game for Nova? Maybe Myles Cale?

Agree on JW, although Willard has probably given him more trouble than any other BE coach the past several years. On pure talent alone I think Cale, Mamu and Nzei could all play in this year's Nova rotation. In fact swap Mamu for DCR and Nova is closer to last year's style of play, which is what I think Jay wants.

Look, you can't go wrong with Powell. He's a tremendous player. If I had a vote, I'd probably give it Marcus H. Yes, he had a better supporting cast but he also finished 3 games ahead of Powell and SHU. That has to count for something. I mean the only reason Ponds is not anywhere near the POTY conversation is because SJU finished in 7th. Maybe, just maybe, if SJU wins that game at SHU and finishes tied for 3rd, and SHU finished 7th, we'd be having a debate about Ponds vs. Booth instead. But it's a good discussion either way. All great college players.

I'd love to see SHU on Saturday night. I think Nova-SHU part 3 might make for the most spirited BE final TBH.