Revisionist History - What if Big East had added more teams

[Cheech]

I come in peace, The Big East is a terrific conference and a perfect landing spot for Dayton. I had posted in July that this season and the future for UD is very promising. This years team is very strong and the recruiting for next year will keep the ball rolling for years to come. Our arena after it’s 80 mill redo is simply terrific and we just announced our 11 sellout of the year. Our attendance would rank us 3rd and the endowment is larger than 6 of the member schools. We have played in more NCAA games the last 10 years then 6 of the member schools. The profile of the school and the travel also are a good fit. We travel better than any school in the BIg East, we are already invited back to Maui in 4 years because of the enormous turnout ESPN saw this year and last year in the Bahamas. We also would be in full force at MSG for the tourney. A huge portion of our alumni base resides in NJ/NY and Conn so our games with Seton Hall/St John and UConn would draw a large Dayton crowd. Last year we brought over 1000 to the Fordham game in the Bronx. The natural rivalries with Butler and our good friends at Xavier would receive National attention and be good for the conference. Some worry about recruiting and going after the same kids... the big boys do that very day and we have only 3 kids from Ohio on this years team not including walk ons. You will hear a lot about us this year And next if you haven’t already and would be a great new member for The conference and TV. So leave your guns at the door and turn a game on this year from Dayton arena, you will be impressed and also watch Obi Toppin candidate for Player of the year. The good news we will be better the next 2 years on a National level. Dayton would mean more money and success for each member....Perfect Fit.

[herodotus]

I come in peace, The Big East is a terrific conference and a perfect landing spot for Dayton. I had posted in July that this season and the future for UD is very promising. This years team is very strong and the recruiting for next year will keep the ball rolling for years to come. Our arena after it’s 80 mill redo is simply terrific and we just announced our 11 sellout of the year. Our attendance would rank us 3rd and the endowment is larger than 6 of the member schools. We have played in more NCAA games the last 10 years then 6 of the member schools. The profile of the school and the travel also are a good fit. We travel better than any school in the BIg East, we are already invited back to Maui in 4 years because of the enormous turnout ESPN saw this year and last year in the Bahamas. We also would be in full force at MSG for the tourney. A huge portion of our alumni base resides in NJ/NY and Conn so our games with Seton Hall/St John and UConn would draw a large Dayton crowd. Last year we brought over 1000 to the Fordham game in the Bronx. The natural rivalries with Butler and our good friends at Xavier would receive National attention and be good for the conference. Some worry about recruiting and going after the same kids... the big boys do that very day and we have only 3 kids from Ohio on this years team not including walk ons. You will hear a lot about us this year And next if you haven’t already and would be a great new member for The conference and TV. So leave your guns at the door and turn a game on this year from Dayton arena, you will be impressed and also watch Obi Toppin candidate for Player of the year. The good news we will be better the next 2 years on a National level. Dayton would mean more money and success for each member....Perfect Fit.

I don't think anyone (except X fans) would argue that Dayton wouldn't be a very good fit in the Big East. It's just that we don't need you, Gonzaga, or any of the other schools that are out there. Truth be told, we didn't need UConn either, but the history, and potential were too much to ignore. ND would be the only program that we would probably not be able to turn down as a member. If the A10 would get rid of some of the dead weight, you guys could be a BE lite. The top of your league is pretty solid, especially with St. Louis and Duquesne apparently getting it together. Getting rid of Fordham, and probably LaSalle would be a good start. With George Mason in the league, do you really need GW? 11 teams, round robin schedule, sound familiar?

[stever20]

I come in peace, The Big East is a terrific conference and a perfect landing spot for Dayton. I had posted in July that this season and the future for UD is very promising. This years team is very strong and the recruiting for next year will keep the ball rolling for years to come. Our arena after it’s 80 mill redo is simply terrific and we just announced our 11 sellout of the year. Our attendance would rank us 3rd and the endowment is larger than 6 of the member schools. We have played in more NCAA games the last 10 years then 6 of the member schools. The profile of the school and the travel also are a good fit. We travel better than any school in the BIg East, we are already invited back to Maui in 4 years because of the enormous turnout ESPN saw this year and last year in the Bahamas. We also would be in full force at MSG for the tourney. A huge portion of our alumni base resides in NJ/NY and Conn so our games with Seton Hall/St John and UConn would draw a large Dayton crowd. Last year we brought over 1000 to the Fordham game in the Bronx. The natural rivalries with Butler and our good friends at Xavier would receive National attention and be good for the conference. Some worry about recruiting and going after the same kids... the big boys do that very day and we have only 3 kids from Ohio on this years team not including walk ons. You will hear a lot about us this year And next if you haven’t already and would be a great new member for The conference and TV. So leave your guns at the door and turn a game on this year from Dayton arena, you will be impressed and also watch Obi Toppin candidate for Player of the year. The good news we will be better the next 2 years on a National level. Dayton would mean more money and success for each member....Perfect Fit.

I don't think anyone (except X fans) would argue that Dayton wouldn't be a very good fit in the Big East. It's just that we don't need you, Gonzaga, or any of the other schools that are out there. Truth be told, we didn't need UConn either, but the history, and potential were too much to ignore. ND would be the only program that we would probably not be able to turn down as a member. If the A10 would get rid of some of the dead weight, you guys could be a BE lite. The top of your league is pretty solid, especially with St. Louis and Duquesne apparently getting it together. Getting rid of Fordham, and probably LaSalle would be a good start. With George Mason in the league, do you really need GW? 11 teams, round robin schedule, sound familiar?

I think the big question for the A10 will be can they keep Ford and Doubront? If so, yeah can make a big push. If not- kind of tough.

Also like I've said- I don't know how beneficial this 20 game craze is going to go. Is the selection committee all of a sudden going to take 17-15 type teams? If not, having 2 extra conference games in place of mostly buy games(sorry but the games that get cut are going to be those)- going to really hurt a lot.

[Hoopfan]

I agree 100% with poster above. As much as I’d like to see the BE expand and a school like Dayton would be a good fit, it just doesn’t make sense. Sticking at 11 and round robin should work. Now we’ll see what happens over the next few years but BE has no reason to expand before the curren contract is up

[scoscox]

I think the big question for the A10 will be can they keep Ford and Doubront? If so, yeah can make a big push. If not- kind of tough.

*Dambrot

[scoscox]

I come in peace, The Big East is a terrific conference and a perfect landing spot for Dayton. I had posted in July that this season and the future for UD is very promising. This years team is very strong and the recruiting for next year will keep the ball rolling for years to come. Our arena after it’s 80 mill redo is simply terrific and we just announced our 11 sellout of the year. Our attendance would rank us 3rd and the endowment is larger than 6 of the member schools. We have played in more NCAA games the last 10 years then 6 of the member schools. The profile of the school and the travel also are a good fit. We travel better than any school in the BIg East, we are already invited back to Maui in 4 years because of the enormous turnout ESPN saw this year and last year in the Bahamas. We also would be in full force at MSG for the tourney. A huge portion of our alumni base resides in NJ/NY and Conn so our games with Seton Hall/St John and UConn would draw a large Dayton crowd. Last year we brought over 1000 to the Fordham game in the Bronx. The natural rivalries with Butler and our good friends at Xavier would receive National attention and be good for the conference. Some worry about recruiting and going after the same kids... the big boys do that very day and we have only 3 kids from Ohio on this years team not including walk ons. You will hear a lot about us this year And next if you haven’t already and would be a great new member for The conference and TV. So leave your guns at the door and turn a game on this year from Dayton arena, you will be impressed and also watch Obi Toppin candidate for Player of the year. The good news we will be better the next 2 years on a National level. Dayton would mean more money and success for each member....Perfect Fit.

I don't think anyone (except X fans) would argue that Dayton wouldn't be a very good fit in the Big East. It's just that we don't need you, Gonzaga, or any of the other schools that are out there. Truth be told, we didn't need UConn either, but the history, and potential were too much to ignore. ND would be the only program that we would probably not be able to turn down as a member. If the A10 would get rid of some of the dead weight, you guys could be a BE lite. The top of your league is pretty solid, especially with St. Louis and Duquesne apparently getting it together. Getting rid of Fordham, and probably LaSalle would be a good start. With George Mason in the league, do you really need GW? 11 teams, round robin schedule, sound familiar?

even i can admit that, of the available candidates, dayton is either 1a or 1b probably, but it's not going to happen and quite frankly i don't trust dayton from a basketball standpoint. they just got ranked 13th and that's their highest ranking in 51 years. wild.

to cheech's point: how do you figure to be better the next two years? are you assuming obi toppin is not going to leave early?

[herodotus]

I come in peace, The Big East is a terrific conference and a perfect landing spot for Dayton. I had posted in July that this season and the future for UD is very promising. This years team is very strong and the recruiting for next year will keep the ball rolling for years to come. Our arena after it’s 80 mill redo is simply terrific and we just announced our 11 sellout of the year. Our attendance would rank us 3rd and the endowment is larger than 6 of the member schools. We have played in more NCAA games the last 10 years then 6 of the member schools. The profile of the school and the travel also are a good fit. We travel better than any school in the BIg East, we are already invited back to Maui in 4 years because of the enormous turnout ESPN saw this year and last year in the Bahamas. We also would be in full force at MSG for the tourney. A huge portion of our alumni base resides in NJ/NY and Conn so our games with Seton Hall/St John and UConn would draw a large Dayton crowd. Last year we brought over 1000 to the Fordham game in the Bronx. The natural rivalries with Butler and our good friends at Xavier would receive National attention and be good for the conference. Some worry about recruiting and going after the same kids... the big boys do that very day and we have only 3 kids from Ohio on this years team not including walk ons. You will hear a lot about us this year And next if you haven’t already and would be a great new member for The conference and TV. So leave your guns at the door and turn a game on this year from Dayton arena, you will be impressed and also watch Obi Toppin candidate for Player of the year. The good news we will be better the next 2 years on a National level. Dayton would mean more money and success for each member....Perfect Fit.

I don't think anyone (except X fans) would argue that Dayton wouldn't be a very good fit in the Big East. It's just that we don't need you, Gonzaga, or any of the other schools that are out there. Truth be told, we didn't need UConn either, but the history, and potential were too much to ignore. ND would be the only program that we would probably not be able to turn down as a member. If the A10 would get rid of some of the dead weight, you guys could be a BE lite. The top of your league is pretty solid, especially with St. Louis and Duquesne apparently getting it together. Getting rid of Fordham, and probably LaSalle would be a good start. With George Mason in the league, do you really need GW? 11 teams, round robin schedule, sound familiar?

I think the big question for the A10 will be can they keep Ford and Doubront? If so, yeah can make a big push. If not- kind of tough.

Ford jumped from UMass to Ok St. and failed, so if he really gets St. Louis rolling, would he gamble on another big job, or be satisfied at St. Louis for the next decade or so? Dambrot is in his 60s. Any power conference offer is likely to be at a very tough place to win. Would he want to take on another major rebuilding job at his age? Apparently he is still very plugged into the city of Akron, and being only a couple of hours away in Pittsburgh works well for him.

[butlerguy03]

I come in peace, The Big East is a terrific conference and a perfect landing spot for Dayton. I had posted in July that this season and the future for UD is very promising. This years team is very strong and the recruiting for next year will keep the ball rolling for years to come. Our arena after it’s 80 mill redo is simply terrific and we just announced our 11 sellout of the year. Our attendance would rank us 3rd and the endowment is larger than 6 of the member schools. We have played in more NCAA games the last 10 years then 6 of the member schools. The profile of the school and the travel also are a good fit. We travel better than any school in the BIg East, we are already invited back to Maui in 4 years because of the enormous turnout ESPN saw this year and last year in the Bahamas. We also would be in full force at MSG for the tourney. A huge portion of our alumni base resides in NJ/NY and Conn so our games with Seton Hall/St John and UConn would draw a large Dayton crowd. Last year we brought over 1000 to the Fordham game in the Bronx. The natural rivalries with Butler and our good friends at Xavier would receive National attention and be good for the conference. Some worry about recruiting and going after the same kids... the big boys do that very day and we have only 3 kids from Ohio on this years team not including walk ons. You will hear a lot about us this year And next if you haven’t already and would be a great new member for The conference and TV. So leave your guns at the door and turn a game on this year from Dayton arena, you will be impressed and also watch Obi Toppin candidate for Player of the year. The good news we will be better the next 2 years on a National level. Dayton would mean more money and success for each member....Perfect Fit.

Joining the Big East is about a lot more than a relatively brief period of success on the court. It took Butler 25 years of building on an ok history to even be considered - and that took multiple seismic events to make that happen. If this was 2009, Dayton would be looking good. They’re 10 years too late to the realignment party.

[MUBoxer]

I come in peace, The Big East is a terrific conference and a perfect landing spot for Dayton. I had posted in July that this season and the future for UD is very promising. This years team is very strong and the recruiting for next year will keep the ball rolling for years to come. Our arena after it’s 80 mill redo is simply terrific and we just announced our 11 sellout of the year. Our attendance would rank us 3rd and the endowment is larger than 6 of the member schools. We have played in more NCAA games the last 10 years then 6 of the member schools. The profile of the school and the travel also are a good fit. We travel better than any school in the BIg East, we are already invited back to Maui in 4 years because of the enormous turnout ESPN saw this year and last year in the Bahamas. We also would be in full force at MSG for the tourney. A huge portion of our alumni base resides in NJ/NY and Conn so our games with Seton Hall/St John and UConn would draw a large Dayton crowd. Last year we brought over 1000 to the Fordham game in the Bronx. The natural rivalries with Butler and our good friends at Xavier would receive National attention and be good for the conference. Some worry about recruiting and going after the same kids... the big boys do that very day and we have only 3 kids from Ohio on this years team not including walk ons. You will hear a lot about us this year And next if you haven’t already and would be a great new member for The conference and TV. So leave your guns at the door and turn a game on this year from Dayton arena, you will be impressed and also watch Obi Toppin candidate for Player of the year. The good news we will be better the next 2 years on a National level. Dayton would mean more money and success for each member....Perfect Fit.

Joining the Big East is about a lot more than a relatively brief period of success on the court. It took Butler 25 years of building on an ok history to even be considered - and that took multiple seismic events to make that happen. If this was 2009, Dayton would be looking good. They’re 10 years too late to the realignment party.

They were the epitome of mid major in 2009. They were about to make their fourth NCAA in 20yrs. Hadn't yet won a tournament game since the 80s. Back then Dayton fans the most inflated view of their program of any school. At least now they've had a more consistent solid run to be proud of.

[Fieldhouse Flyer]

I generally make it a point to avoid posting on this type of thread ... unless I read a factually inaccurate post worthy of correction.

If this was 2009, Dayton would be looking good.

They were the epitome of mid major in 2009.

2009 was probably not the best year to pick as an example.

Dayton Flyers 2008-09 Schedule and Results (27-8)

Nov. 30, 2008: Dayton 89, #15 Marquette 75
Feb. 12, 2009: Dayton 71, #14 Xavier 58

MEN'S BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIP - MIDWEST REGION - 1ST ROUND AT MINNEAPOLIS MN
March 20, 2009: #11 seed Dayton 68, #6 seed West Virginia 60

MEN'S BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIP - MIDWEST REGION - 2ND ROUND AT MINNEAPOLIS MN
March 22, 2009; #3 seed Kansas 60, #11 seed Dayton 48

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Joining the Big East is about a lot more than a relatively brief period of success on the court. They’re 10 years too late to the realignment party.

Quite possibly. But the fat lady has not necessarily sung yet.

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