(7) Big East Saturday Games 12/20/19

[GoldenWarrior11]

Can we just play games on Saturdays??? We seem to have good luck on that day of the week.

[kayako]

What. A. Freaking. Day. For. This. League!! I'm psyched!! Definitely the best day the conference has had since realignment

forget since realignment...

find me a better day for the BE going back to the old days...

I agree...

And frankly, not sure any conference has ever had a day like this. This is a historically good day IMO.

In terms of big wins, definitely happened before. But top to bottom representing without a single blemish like this? Probably not.

[kayako]

I would've been ok with 4 wins, and very happy with 5. 6 would've made it one of the best ooc day since 2013. 7 for 7 was so unrealistic I didn't even consider it.

Typical Creighton fan.

You already know that us Radnor fans dream big

[redmen9194]

Big East brotherhood moment last night in San Francisco. After LJ made that flip in basket at the half, Eric Paschal was court side and jumped out of his seat and gave LJ a little love before he left the court. Awesome stuff:

[marquette]

I'm not seeing Wichita go 14-4, UConn, Temple, and Houston all going 12-6, and Memphis still winning enough to get a high seed. This is one of your more ridiculous arguments.

From Ken Pom- looking at the current binary w/l projections....
Memphis 14-4- would be 26-5- would easily be a high seed
Wichita 13-5- would be 24-6- would easily be a high seed
Houston 13-5- would be 21-8 (plus 2 more games in the Diamond-Head)
UConn 12-6- would be 21-10
Temple 12-6- would be 21-10(assuming a loss to Nova)

that's the beauty of the 12 team/18 schedule. You can finish with 5 teams like that.

Oh, and Cincy is 13-5 as well... but they're probably too far gone....

Got my shovel out to grave dig this thread. So

Memphis 10-8
Wichita 11-7
Houston 13-5 (dead on)
UConn 10-8
Temple 6-12

Next December can we not go around acting like kenpom is infallible just because it suits our view?

[NJRedman]

Can we just play games on Saturdays??? We seem to have good luck on that day of the week.

While we have this out can we all just have a good light hearted laugh at this one? hahaha

[stever20]

so lets look...

Houston and Cincy both 100% spot on.
Wichita within 2 games (and 3 conference losses by 3 points or less)
UConn within 2 games (and 5 conference losses by 4 points or less- with 3 being in OT)

AAC winds up with 6 teams with 10+ wins, and a 7th at 9-9. With 3 teams with 13 wins.

Only Memphis(3 games) and Temple(6 games) were they really far off on.

[GumbyDamnit!]

so lets look...

Houston and Cincy both 100% spot on.
Wichita within 2 games (and 3 conference losses by 3 points or less)
UConn within 2 games (and 5 conference losses by 4 points or less- with 3 being in OT)

AAC winds up with 6 teams with 10+ wins, and a 7th at 9-9. With 3 teams with 13 wins.

Only Memphis(3 games) and Temple(6 games) were they really far off on.

Typical Stever move right there. But...but...if not for a couple of close losses I would have been right. But our boy doesn't want us to look behind the curtain. Here's the reality:

1). Wich St. - 3 losses by 4 or less AND 3 wins by 4 or less. And when you see that 2 of those wins were vs. Cincy, had they won them you wouldn't have been "100% spot on." In other words, it's a zero sum in action. Take some of those losses away and magically turn them into wins to get WSU closer to the tournament, and oops, now the Bearcats are screwed.

2). Uconn - 4 losses by 4 or less and 3 wins by 4 or less. Wow, talk about unlucky... Um, no. You win some close games and you lose some close games. Also two of those losses were to WSU and Houston. So if you want to claim them, then take one off the other side as well. Again, zero sum...

3). You were 4 off with Memphis, not 3.

So twist the numbers into whatever pretzel you want, and move the goalposts as far as you need to, but the predictions you laid out were way off. Those 5 teams collectively finished -14 to what you and KenPom predicted. And even though most of their games were vs. each other, none of those teams finished better than predicted. Ouch.

[stever20]

so lets look...

Houston and Cincy both 100% spot on.
Wichita within 2 games (and 3 conference losses by 3 points or less)
UConn within 2 games (and 5 conference losses by 4 points or less- with 3 being in OT)

AAC winds up with 6 teams with 10+ wins, and a 7th at 9-9. With 3 teams with 13 wins.

Only Memphis(3 games) and Temple(6 games) were they really far off on.

Typical Stever move right there. But...but...if not for a couple of close losses I would have been right. But our boy doesn't want us to look behind the curtain. Here's the reality:

1). Wich St. - 3 losses by 4 or less AND 3 wins by 4 or less. And when you see that 2 of those wins were vs. Cincy, had they won them you wouldn't have been "100% spot on." In other words, it's a zero sum in action. Take some of those losses away and magically turn them into wins to get WSU closer to the tournament, and oops, now the Bearcats are screwed.

2). Uconn - 4 losses by 4 or less and 3 wins by 4 or less. Wow, talk about unlucky... Um, no. You win some close games and you lose some close games. Also two of those losses were to WSU and Houston. So if you want to claim them, then take one off the other side as well. Again, zero sum...

3). You were 4 off with Memphis, not 3.

So twist the numbers into whatever pretzel you want, and move the goalposts as far as you need to, but the predictions you laid out were way off. Those 5 teams collectively finished -14 to what you and KenPom predicted. And even though most of their games were vs. each other, none of those teams finished better than predicted. Ouch.

2 of the 6 teams were spot on. That's pretty good. Another 2 within 2 games...

The AAC hasn't had a good year, yet has a pretty easy path to getting 3 teams in the tourney. If the final 4 has Houston vs Memphis and Cincy vs Wichita, 2 is an absolute lock at that point, with the loser of the Cincy/Wichita game(especially if it's Wichita given they'd have beaten UConn) very likely to make it.

[marquette]

2 of the 6 teams were spot on. That's pretty good. Another 2 within 2 games...

The AAC hasn't had a good year, yet has a pretty easy path to getting 3 teams in the tourney. If the final 4 has Houston vs Memphis and Cincy vs Wichita, 2 is an absolute lock at that point, with the loser of the Cincy/Wichita game(especially if it's Wichita given they'd have beaten UConn) very likely to make it.

In this thread you claimed (on Dec. 22nd in response to my statement that the AAC would be limited to no more than 4 bids with only Memphis as a high seed) that Wichita would go 14-4 and get a top 4-5 seed. You then used kenpom's predictions to say that 6 AAC schools would be 12-6 or better (in reality only 3 did). The reality is that the AAC will top out at 4 bids (with a bid thief) and none of them will be a top 5 seed. I'm not looking for a mea culpa or an admission that you were wrong. I'm just asking that maybe this December you take a minute, think about whether 3 months from now this post will make you look like a dogmatic caricature of a poster, and then don't post it. It's 11:45 pm in Lisbon so I won't be awake (with any luck) to approve/respond to any posts for the next few hours. I'll see if I can fit it in around 4 am your time tomorrow.