Holy Land of Hoops Thanksgiving Rankings

[GumbyDamnit!]

It certainly does, but it should. We don't have enough data to completely disregard our preseason thoughts. As we see teams play more and more and continue to see results our preseason expectations will have less and less impact on the ratings. Otherwise Marquette would probably have to be 9th or 10th, but I certainly don't believe they are really the 9th or 10th best team. I think the early season is a fluke for them and their offense will pick up.

College fb always causes controversy (loses credibility) with this approach. Teams have been denied a chance at a championship b/c of this approach. Preseason polls are fun, but once the season starts they suck and every poll afterwards sucks for a good amount of time too. No one saw Gibbs play for two years when they ranked SHU in the preseason so how relevant were those predictions? But I get it.

Hall make your case. You lost to Mercer. Who, exactly, do you think you should be ranked ahead of? SHU was ranked 9th preseason b/c of past performance just like MU was ranked 1st. Marq has done enough to move down. What, exactly, has SHU done to move ahead of Butler, PC, SJU, Nova, XU, Marq, Gtwn or Cu? I'm curious to hear what Pirate nation is thinking?

[TheHall]

BU, Depaul & SJU reasons already given.

[stever20]

DePaul yes..

but Butler hasn't lost and St John's doesn't have the awful loss that Seton Hall has.

[GumbyDamnit!]

DePaul yes..

but Butler hasn't lost and St John's doesn't have the awful loss that Seton Hall has.

^^^^^ this...^^^^^^^

[TheHall]

DePaul yes..

but Butler hasn't lost and St John's doesn't have the awful loss that Seton Hall has.

Do you watch the games? Do you know SHU & SJU played the same team last week? I don't mind a disagreement but talking about who is better from records alone is lazy. That's why they play the games. I'm looking forward to conference play.

[stever20]

DePaul yes..

but Butler hasn't lost and St John's doesn't have the awful loss that Seton Hall has.

Do you watch the games? Do you know SHU & SJU played the same team last week? I don't mind a disagreement but talking about who is better from records alone is lazy. That's why they play the games. I'm looking forward to conference play.

That's fine- but that doesn't absolve Seton Hall from having the worst loss in the conference.

[TheHall]

DePaul yes..

but Butler hasn't lost and St John's doesn't have the awful loss that Seton Hall has.

Do you watch the games? Do you know SHU & SJU played the same team last week? I don't mind a disagreement but talking about who is better from records alone is lazy. That's why they play the games. I'm looking forward to conference play.

That's fine- but that doesn't absolve Seton Hall from having the worst loss in the conference.

Hahaha so if Duke would have lost to 1-5 Vermont this weekend they would be near the bottom in the ACC by having the worst loss? You do know some teams get better after losing games.

[stever20]

it's a bit different in expectations. Duke would have gotten dinged good-would have fallen several slots. But no one has high expecatations for Seton Hall.

[GumbyDamnit!]

Hahaha so if Duke would have lost to 1-5 Vermont this weekend they would be near the bottom in the ACC by having the worst loss? You do know some teams get better after losing games.

And to use your logic Duke beat Vermont by 1 point. Bryant beat Vermont by 23. So Bryant must be better than Duke. Just because you played common opponents, it means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, and you certainly can't play the "we beat Monmouth by more" card as proof of you being a better team. Hopefully by my illustration above you understand how that is not a valid argument.

[XUFan09]

Transitive property doesn't work so well for single pairs of games.