UCONN POLL

[Xudash]

Would you like to have Wichita State in this conference?

Ha Ha! Touche Dash, well said. Although I'm not afraid to rub X fans the wrong way (we had a poll over at the Underground and you're our #1 rivalry target) my actual one and only target is St. Louis. What can I say, I'd like our State footprint map to connect, they would be another good rival candidate for the Jays, they are JESUIT. But they need to get good and the sooner the better.

Hey, I love you guys. Creighton is a class act.

While you may want to irritate us from time to time, please consider that a quid pro quo approach to all this is only fair. Try not to douche this place up by making stupid recommendations.

The bottom line is that we stay at 10 if UConn doesn't come along.

We stay at 11 if they do come along in order to keep the Round Robin.

The Nova guys are spot on about this: the GAP between UConn and the next possible candidate may as well have the Grand Canyon placed into it.

[_lh]

Would you like to have Wichita State in this conference?

Ha Ha! Touche Dash, well said. Although I'm not afraid to rub X fans the wrong way (we had a poll over at the Underground and you're our #1 rivalry target) my actual one and only target is St. Louis. What can I say, I'd like our State footprint map to connect, they would be another good rival candidate for the Jays, they are JESUIT. But they need to get good and the sooner the better.

Hey, I love you guys. Creighton is a class act.

While you may want to irritate us from time to time, please consider that a quid pro quo approach to all this is only fair. Try not to douche this place up by making stupid recommendations.

The bottom line is that we stay at 10 if UConn doesn't come along.

We stay at 11 if they do come along in order to keep the Round Robin.

The Nova guys are spot on about this: the GAP between UConn and the next possible candidate may as well have the Grand Canyon placed into it.

Agreed. The BE can stay at 10 forever or 11 forever with UCONN and be better than just fine. If the ACC were to kick ND out because ND wants to remain football independent, we should welcome ND. If the B12 falls apart and Kansas finds themselves without a P5 home, we should take them as well. Obviously, the last two scenarios are extreme longshots but those are the only types of programs the BE should expand for, not the likes of A10 or Valley type teams.

[whiteandblue77]

Try not to douche this place up by making stupid recommendations.

I'd prefer a basketball first, private school with good revenue and a large fan base over a state school that does not want to be here because it's coupled with football. If that's stupid to you you're certainly entitled to your opinion...

but if you're going to get upset and call me a douche over those kind of trifles, I suggest you grow thicker skin fast because your crosstown pals are expected to get the call-up from Dallas. In fact, we all need to brace ourselves for asinine bearcats drunk on Lone Star and TexMex trolling up this saloon.

[Xudash]

Try not to douche this place up by making stupid recommendations.

I'd prefer a basketball first, private school with good revenue and a large fan base over a state school that does not want to be here because it's coupled with football. If that's stupid to you you're certainly entitled to your opinion...

but if you're going to get upset and call me a douche over those kind of trifles, I suggest you grow thicker skin fast because your crosstown pals are expected to get the call-up from Dallas. In fact, we all need to brace ourselves for asinine bearcats drunk on Lone Star and TexMex trolling up this saloon.

I meant that in jest, not as a flaming comment.

We've been taking care of UC for years and that isn't going to change much as long as the Yellow Toothed Gnome is still trolling the bench in Clifton. I actually believe their inclusion in the B12 would be good for the rivalry, and it certainly would be good for the Queen City.

I otherwise understand your preference for private, good revenue and large fan base, but, if that's about UD, then I still take the position that, in the grand scheme of things, UD is regarded as a mid-major on the national stage and is in no position to increase our "market cap" at this point. In the context of where we presently stand as a conference, they can't possibly add anything to the mix. They would not make us better, and, given the value of any slots we have to offer were we wanting to offer them, are not worthy of an offer.

On the other hand, if UCONN shakes free, they probably do so with even more limited options for their football program going forward. Bring them in on the basis of a prohibitive exit fee. That alone will flush out their true intentions: if they sign an agreement with such a provision in place, they're probably with us for a long while, if they don't sign it, then we say good luck.

Finally, if we were to secure UCONN, then we will have broken this "privacy veil" and would be free to go after VCU as #12, assuming 12 is deemed better than an 11-member Round Robin format.

[DudeAnon]

Try not to douche this place up by making stupid recommendations.

I'd prefer a basketball first, private school with good revenue and a large fan base over a state school that does not want to be here because it's coupled with football. If that's stupid to you you're certainly entitled to your opinion...

but if you're going to get upset and call me a douche over those kind of trifles, I suggest you grow thicker skin fast because your crosstown pals are expected to get the call-up from Dallas. In fact, we all need to brace ourselves for asinine bearcats drunk on Lone Star and TexMex trolling up this saloon.

I meant that in jest, not as a flaming comment.

We've been taking care of UC for years and that isn't going to change much as long as the Yellow Toothed Gnome is still trolling the bench in Clifton. I actually believe their inclusion in the B12 would be good for the rivalry, and it certainly would be good for the Queen City.

I otherwise understand your preference for private, good revenue and large fan base, but, if that's about UD, then I still take the position that, in the grand scheme of things, UD is regarded as a mid-major on the national stage and is in no position to increase our "market cap" at this point. In the context of where we presently stand as a conference, they can't possibly add anything to the mix. They would not make us better, and, given the value of any slots we have to offer were we wanting to offer them, are not worthy of an offer.

On the other hand, if UCONN shakes free, they probably do so with even more limited options for their football program going forward. Bring them in on the basis of a prohibitive exit fee. That alone will flush out their true intentions: if they sign an agreement with such a provision in place, they're probably with us for a long while, if they don't sign it, then we say good luck.

Finally, if we were to secure UCONN, then we will have broken this "privacy veil" and would be free to go after VCU as #12, assuming 12 is deemed better than an 11-member Round Robin format.

UD has alot of the ingredients needed to be added as an expansion candidate. But they have 3 problems to overcome:

1) Winning reputation.
- Before Archie, nobody defined mediocrity better than Dayton.
+ Archie is doing a terrific job and this point might be moot soon.

2) Media Markets.
- Adding Dayton would be 2 schools within 1 hour of each other
+ Dayton fans watch and attend CBB games

3) Xavier.
- More specifically, Chris Mack. Mack has a well known dislike of Dayton after they heckled his wife (and UD HOF'er) out of a game and heckled our players during a practice for the first four. There is no doubt he will be adamant with the Xavier president and AD that they not be added.

[stever20]

ND has a contract with the ACC for 20 years so you need to stop dreaming that the ACC can kick them out. They can't.

[muskienick]

ND has a contract with the ACC for 20 years so you need to stop dreaming that the ACC can kick them out. They can't.

As the old saying goes: "Contracts were made to be broken." Furthermore, I can't see the ACC kicking out ND. But I CAN see ND leaving the ACC, especially if they are forced to play X-number of FB games per year vs ACC Members and the quality of the ACC's FB programs continues to worsen.

[stever20]

ND has a contract with the ACC for 20 years so you need to stop dreaming that the ACC can kick them out. They can't.

As the old saying goes: "Contracts were made to be broken." Furthermore, I can't see the ACC kicking out ND. But I CAN see ND leaving the ACC, especially if they are forced to play X-number of FB games per year vs ACC Members and the quality of the ACC's FB programs continues to worsen.

If ND left the ACC(which they can't)- they would go to another league with football. Bowl games are crucial.

Also they just re-upped their GOR and it's going to be really tough to get out of that for their other sports.

[Bill Marsh]

ND has a contract with the ACC for 20 years so you need to stop dreaming that the ACC can kick them out. They can't.

As the old saying goes: "Contracts were made to be broken." Furthermore, I can't see the ACC kicking out ND. But I CAN see ND leaving the ACC, especially if they are forced to play X-number of FB games per year vs ACC Members and the quality of the ACC's FB programs continues to worsen.

It's actually ND that benefits from the requirement to play games with ACC teams. It really eases the challenge on the AD to come up with opponents in October & November. ND chose to be where they are. They didn't sign a lengthy contract just so they would later try to break it. They're not leaving. It's far, far more likely that they bring their football program into the ACC than that they go elsewhere.

Schools affiliate with other institutions like themselves. As a private university which prides itself as academically excellent, the ACC is the one conference that has a substantial number of similar schools. It's no accident that they are there. They see themselves as having much in common with schools like Duke, BC, Wake Forest, Syracuse, and Miami. Even publics like Virginia, North Carolina, and Pitt, which in some ways operate a lot like private schools are likely seen as peer institutions. Every other P5 conference is made up 80-90+% of state universities.

[xusandy]

11 pages of comments on something that has a close to 0% chance of happening! Man, you guys have a lot of time to waste on nothing! The Big East does not have to expand, and, at least IMHO, to think an invitation might be issued to a school that's a truly lousy fit on every dimension except geography and basketball team quality is pretty silly.