Is there a July 1 deadline to add Dayton or SLU?

[larymike]

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Sorry, but non scholarship football is not in the discussion. UD has no scholarship football so they don't compete against Rutgers.

For God's sake, he/she was being sarcastic. It is pretty obvious, not to mention clearly stated above.

Going to the core of this sarcastic remark it is clear they don't want UD in the New Big East. Using the TV numbers then stating why didn't they get into the B1G, while sarcastic, was why I responded how I did. If you don't want UD to be a part of the new Big East, OK. I happen to think UD would be a great addition for a multitude of reasons. One happens to be their great fan base and excitement to watch Basketball games. UD fans travel well, support the team at home games, and spend lots of money to see their team. Add to that a host of natural (historical) rivalries in the New Big East and it is a great fit for the league.

[BillEsq]

Larry,

I why i realize that some on here tend to bash Dayton more than necessary, I think the majority on here respect them. That and the fact that this whole thread is pretty much been lighthearted and for the most part obviously sarcastic its not worth your time to bemoan media market shares or the benefits of non-scholarship football, or why spiders are icky. it is what it is, at some point the BE will most likely go to 12 teams. the only three teams with a realistic chance of being added represent the legions of overweight gremlins, bicycle manufacturers, and icky bugs that are out there.

All sarcasm aside only three things are certain:
1. at least one of these schools will be left out
2. the BE will expand when the BE expands
3. never trust spiders that speak french sarcastically

[DumpsterFireA10]

Dayton has a very strong fanbase that will follow their Flyers.

[cm5yz6]

Larry,

I why i realize that some on here tend to bash Dayton more than necessary, I think the majority on here respect them. That and the fact that this whole thread is pretty much been lighthearted and for the most part obviously sarcastic its not worth your time to bemoan media market shares or the benefits of non-scholarship football, or why spiders are icky. it is what it is, at some point the BE will most likely go to 12 teams. the only three teams with a realistic chance of being added represent the legions of overweight gremlins, bicycle manufacturers, and icky bugs that are out there.

All sarcasm aside only three things are certain:
1. at least one of these schools will be left out
2. the BE will expand when the BE expands
3. never trust spiders that speak french sarcastically

maybe icky, but not so itsy bitsy

[NyNjspider]

Larry,

i realize that some on here tend to bash Dayton more than necessary, I think the majority on here respect them.

Without a doubt.

I think we can all agree, that Dayton is one of the top ten cities in southwestern Ohio. Not to mention the fact, that the university is very accepting of every college applicant. In addition the basketball program continually produces NBA stars like Bucky Bockhorn and Monk Meineke. City, School, Program!

Again...it important to point out that lots of Dayton residents watch B1G basketball on ESPN, let's not forget that!

[MixingBowlSpider]

the only three teams with a realistic chance of being added represent the legions of overweight gremlins, bicycle manufacturers, and icky bugs that are out there.

All I can say is:

May the hairiest mascot win.

Or perhaps I should say:

May the hairiest mascot not lose, since it's best two out of three.

[jayelan]

Dayton also starts with the letter D and its mascot is named after bicycle manufactures.. add in your other worthless facts.

Personally put me in the category of people who respect Dayton and think they would be a good fit and while I might not like it i could easily argue that if two teams were to be added it should be Dayton and Richmond. I also firmly believe that neither Dayton's nor Richmond's esteemed football programs will have any bearing on whether they get in or not.

I saw an argument for Dayton that was actually really interesting as to their value:

Dayton typically plays well in the non-con schedule and doesn't play well in the league. Which stands to reason that they may be a great add...they'll help the profile in nonconference without ever being a threat in the league.

Had an interesting conversation with a sports write here in Chicago familiar with all the teams in the NBE and those being considered. When it came to Dayton he stated that Dayton was very successful against BCS non conference opponents but fared poorly in their own league. He reasoned that they played teams in the non con that played them straight man to man while the A-10 mostly threw zone defenses against them. He said Dayton was a poor half court team. So your theory would not be correct as they would fair much better in the NBE where teams play man to man.

To illustrate his point he pointed out their run in the NIT against BCS teams. They ran through Illinois State, Cincinnati, Illinois, Mississippi State and North Carolina for the championship. All these teams played them man to man. There out of conference record is impressive with wins over the likes of Louisville, Marquette, Pittsburgh, etc, Which then begs the question, why didn't they develop a half course offense and learn how to play against a zone. After all, non con wins while impressive don't get you in the NCAA if you finish in the lower half of your conference. Something just don't add up there. Last three coaches Oliver Purnell, Brian Gregory and now Archie Miller have yet to figure that out. mind boggling.

Personally I don't think the NBE would go wrong with any of two of the three teams being considered. All bring something good to the table, and much better than some of the current bottom feeders in the league now.

[Xudash]

Seriously, and aside from the fact that I am a Xavier fan, I just can't see Dayton making it into the Big East.

I see Dayton's advantages being its fan support, tradition (though that is long in the tooth), commitment to its athletic program overall, and the fact that UD is a good school. What stops UD in its tracks for me? The television thing. The television thing as it relates to Fox wanting truly new markets for growth potential.

This isn't about UD's present television rating. Dayton's MSA doesn't hold a candle to that of St. Louis: 61 versus 18. Richmond checks in at 43. Basketball fans that watch hoops in Dayton right now are watching Ohio State and a plethora (my tribute to El Guapo) of other schools. I think it's more about Fox taking a long-term view centered upon building brand value over the life of this 12 year agreement.

The Big East has already picked its Ohio school. It's time to move on, selecting new markets; new programs having strong potential and demonstrated success. I just can't imagine St. Louis and Richmond being left out of this thing, assuming that 12 truly is the number that this conference deems appropriate for the long-term.

[jayelan]

I think there is a misinterpretation of the market in Dayton. Dayton is only on TV (local) two days out of the week and for two hours. I have no doubt that when their team is playing they are watching their team and not the big ten etc. When Dayton is not playing then they are watching the big ten etc.

Being an Air Force air crew member I have never been stationed at Wright Patterson in Dayton but have attended many an event or doings there and to a tee you won't find anyone who doesn't bring up Dayton basketball, and that goes for the home grown citizens as well as those stationed there. An example is Col. Colleen Ryan. Had the privileged of meeting her after she retired as the first female commander of the base. She had lived all over the world and could now live anywhere she wanted to but chose to remain in Dayton buying her first home in what they call the Oregon District. I bring this up as there are so many comments on bashing the City, University etc that it cant be all that bad if she choose to retire their. Personally I have lived all over the world mostly on TDY assignments and there isn't a city anywhere that doesn't have their blights.

My interest in the NBE stems from recognizing the brand names of the schools and excited to see the new league formed. However I am a little angst over the lack of progress and what appears to be a lack of a good plan before departing the OBE. Time is running out and hope to hear some great organizational news soon. Personally I believe for the league to be successful they will have to go to 14 teams to compete with some of the larger leagues.

Speaking of retirement we are looking to put down our roots somewhere in the midwest or east. Prefer to stay central to be able to visit the great grand kids who will be entering College with some playing sports, (only two have chosen their colleges, Stetson and GeorgiaTech). Others are looking at NBE MVC HL and A10 schools. Due to recent events we have eliminated Oklahoma and Arkansas, or we just might stay mobile as our RV is quite comfortable for two and very accommodating. Chicago is very nice but very expensive for people on a fixed income. While we are not hurting we don't need spend it foolishly. Have heard Indianapolis is also very nice and affordable. Prefer to stay near major freeways for ease of travel, any recommendations welcome.

[jayelan]

For the record we lived on the beach in sunny southern California so we are spoiled and prefer large bodies of water, ergo interest in Chicago and the great lakes. Also checked out the Ozarks, and several lakes in Oklahoma that I can't pronounce with Indian names. Cleveland is also on the great lakes (Erie I believe) but non of the kids are looking at any schools in Northern Ohio. Detroit is out with its high crime rates and what former residents have informed us of. No longer have our boat and quite frankly too old for skiing anyways and the kids will be too busy with school for much of anything else. Open to suggestions for affordable retirement area.